Hi All,
The ludicrous situation we are in:
1. Parliament votes down the shitty May deal (which after watching "panorama" it is clear that British officials were not negotiating for Britain) .
2. The EU won't budge on this deal
3. Leave without a deal is therefore the default
But parliament wants her cake and eat it , by rejecting both the deal and exit without a deal. We get an extension .
But...
If the EU won't change its position there can't be a better deal. Therefore surely we have to leave at some point without one, for what is the point in forever having extensions if nothing will change?
Meanwhile we see the likes of Hammond and other Tories being willing to put Corbyn into power by threatening to vote against their own party and government to stop a no deal.... which would simply destroy the conservative party as a force in politics and usher in a Labour /SNP/Liberal government. Well, if that did happen all of those rebels should loose the whip and the therefore be unable to stand as conservative candidates in the elections that would follow.
One other comment is that by using underhanded parliamentary procedure to thwart brexit is not and will not give any confidence by the people towards our system. In fact it fully justifies the idea of the establishment/ elite concocting a remain by the back door scenario in contempt of the people. The elites are wilfully ignoring a democratic vote and clearly had no intention of honouring it , instead we've have had three years of scaremongering , project fear and a government which clearly wasn't interested in a decent deal . This undermines the whole legitimacy of our system and will have terrible long term consequences ( I don't just mean the destruction of the conservative party, which would be the most minor consequence). Oh and before anyone calls for a second referendum, fine. If you win we can just ignore it. If we win then how many other votes do you want?
The ludicrous situation we are in:
1. Parliament votes down the shitty May deal (which after watching "panorama" it is clear that British officials were not negotiating for Britain) .
2. The EU won't budge on this deal
3. Leave without a deal is therefore the default
But parliament wants her cake and eat it , by rejecting both the deal and exit without a deal. We get an extension .
But...
If the EU won't change its position there can't be a better deal. Therefore surely we have to leave at some point without one, for what is the point in forever having extensions if nothing will change?
Meanwhile we see the likes of Hammond and other Tories being willing to put Corbyn into power by threatening to vote against their own party and government to stop a no deal.... which would simply destroy the conservative party as a force in politics and usher in a Labour /SNP/Liberal government. Well, if that did happen all of those rebels should loose the whip and the therefore be unable to stand as conservative candidates in the elections that would follow.
One other comment is that by using underhanded parliamentary procedure to thwart brexit is not and will not give any confidence by the people towards our system. In fact it fully justifies the idea of the establishment/ elite concocting a remain by the back door scenario in contempt of the people. The elites are wilfully ignoring a democratic vote and clearly had no intention of honouring it , instead we've have had three years of scaremongering , project fear and a government which clearly wasn't interested in a decent deal . This undermines the whole legitimacy of our system and will have terrible long term consequences ( I don't just mean the destruction of the conservative party, which would be the most minor consequence). Oh and before anyone calls for a second referendum, fine. If you win we can just ignore it. If we win then how many other votes do you want?
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